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MORE MADNESS FROM MAMA MARIA # 11 (CP117) Feb. 1997
Newsletter #11 © COUNTERCOG P.O. Box 40242 Pasadena CA USAWarning: This newsletter contains sexually explicit language.
This is a continuation or part two of newsletter #10, Sex, Sin and Sacrilege! (CP115). The purpose of this newsletter is to expose the heretical beliefs and practices of the Children of God cult aka The Family and of its present leader Karen Zerby aka Maria aka Mama. In newsletter #10 we presented excerpts from a series of new internal publications titled "Loving Jesus!" According to these publications the group is supposedly getting messages from Jesus Christ encouraging its members to, among other things, masturbate to Him and fantasize that they are having sexual intercourse with Him. It is now very easy to see that there has not been a dime's worth of real and fundamental change in the COG. Their recent trying to be perceived as more mainstream may have made some of us wonder if in fact there is some sincerity and honesty in all this. Then the Loving Jesus sacrilege came and shattered all hopes. The COG is a train speeding downhill with no brakes. We had mentioned that we did not at that time have the most central portion of the "Loving Jesus" series, which are parts 3 and 4. We now have both. We have also acquired other cult publications that deal with the subject including Loving Jesus Jewels which is an important addition to the Loving Jesus series. We shall continue the same pattern of quoting important sections and letting the text speak for itself. [Webpage publication note: in the quoted materials below, anything italicized, in red, between brackets [ ] is commentary made by CounterCOG.] From Children of God/The Family Materials (except in red):Loving Jesus! - Part 3 Maria #310 DO 12/95 GN 662 (36 pages)
par. 5. [Karen Zerby speaking:] Beginning in the early months of 1995 and continuing over a period of
approximately six months, the Lord spoke to us in various prophecies about how to love Him
in a new and special way. 37. [Jesus speaking!] Come, come, please come and lie in the bed of love with Me. 57. Say these
words to Me.... "Kiss me, caress me, f... me and love me, fill me to the full!"[four letter words spelled out in full in original text.] 61. As the thrust of a man upon a woman in lovemaking, so I want to give
and give and fill you with My seeds! 63. Do not be afraid to say that you want Me to f...
you. 65. Do not be afraid to say, "I want You, Jesus! Come into me, Jesus! Make me
go, Jesus!" 68.[Zerby:] The Lord wants us to tell Him the things we would tell our lovers when we
are making love to them....He wants us to say things like, "I want You, I need You,
come in unto me, love me, hold me, kiss me, caress me, f... me, fill me to the full! 74.
He says you shouldn't be afraid to tell Him you want Him to hold you, to love you, to kiss
you, to f... you, to make you go. 76. When we're loving our mates or our sharing partners,
we can include Him in our lovemaking; and when we tell them sweet things, we can say them
to Him also. 80. [Some male members] wondered if they couldn't instead say these things to the Holy Spirit, as
that would be easier and more relatable for them, since the Lord had revealed to Dad that
She is the female member of the Trinity. They also wondered how this kind of talking to
the Lord would affect any men in the Family who may battle homosexual tendencies. ["Dad" is David Berg, the cult's founder, who they claim has
died and is now speaking to them and directing the group from the dead. Berg has claimed
that he has had sexual intercourse with the Holy Spirit. The group believes that the Holy
Spirit is female!] 88. (Prophecy [Jesus]:) In the Spirit, in the
Spirit, you don't need to have a dong! 90. For in the Spirit, in the Spirit, you can be
anything you want! In the Spirit, in the Spirit, You can even have a c..t![a dirty word for vagina] 92. Do not
think, "Oh, I have this ugly old penis in the way." For I do not see
this....Simply think of yourself as a woman unto Me, and say those things that a woman
would say, and this will suffice. I will give you peace as you do this thing. 94. You know
that you are not women, but you play a role for Me, and you speak the words that I have
written for you to speak, and you do the movements that I have said to do, and it is well
pleasing unto Me. 95. I ask you to... play the role...of the woman, of My darling. 99.
There will be those who mock and scorn....Let them mock! Let them scoff and let them
scorn! 106. [Zerby:]
Wasn't that funny how the Lord used the "In ther Spirit" poem to get His point
across? Both Peter and I laughed out loud during the prophecy when the Lord said, "In
the Spirit, in the Spirit, you don't need to have a dong!" I guess you understand
that a "dong" is a slang word for penis. He also said, "In the Spirit, in
the Spirit, you can even have a c..t."- Ha! For those of you who might not know,
"c..t" is a slang word for a vagina. The Lord certainly has a way with words,
doesn't He? A WARNING TO THOSE WITH HOMOSEXUAL TENDENCIES! 115. [Jesus] knows you will be very leery
and even apprehensive that this lovemaking with Him will tempt you above that you are
able. However, you must remember, and you must get firmly fixed in your mind and
constantly remind yourself, that your loving relationship with Jesus is not a male/male
relationship. There is only a woman with her husband! - nothing else! 116. This is a
relationship between a Bridegroom and a bride, a Man and a woman, a Male and a female, a
Husband and a wife. 117. In your intimate relationship with Jesus, in which you make love
with him in Spirit, you are not male, you are a female in the Spirit. 118. In your
lovemaking with Jesus you are not a man....This is not a male-with-male relationship. It
is a spiritual female, you, making love to a male, Jesus. He is the man, the Bridegroom,
and you are the woman, His Bride, His wife. 119. Of course for all you men it will take
some getting used to! 120. Granted, it's a little hard to be one thing in the Spirit and
then switch to being another thing in the flesh, and to be switching back and forth! 122.
The land of promise, the land of His further blessings and His rewards, is available to
you if you choose this path....Is the only way that you can receive the wonderful
blessings that He has promised us if we will love Him in this way. 125. His relationship
with you can be just as intimate and just as close and just as romantic and sexy as our
women members. 127. "Well," you may say, "I don't see how it's possible by
any stretch of the imagination to see myself as a woman with Jesus making love to
me!" 129. The Devil...will fight you with every contrary and contradictory thought
that he can pull our of his bag! Think of it! If the Devil hates just plain human sex so
much, like Dad taught us, it must enrage him to think of us having spiritual sex with
Jesus! 136. He asked our Family women to be looked upon as "whores" and
"prostitutes" and to see their men go through tremendous trials about FFing? In
this case, He was asking our men to love Him by not merely saying nice words to Him and
f...ing Him in the Spirit, but to let their wives f... worldly men who were so stained
with sin and impurities, getting dirty with their dirtiness, getting their dirty diseases
and even sometimes becoming polluted by their worldliness! Think of what our women and
some of our men had to go through! 139. Think of all the other things through the years
that you had to accept totally by faith! -That Dad was God's Endtime Prophet, the David
foretold in numerous Bible prophecies [Berg is probably
the greatest false prophet that ever lived]; that I am
Dad's appointed and anointed successor [poor, deceived
girl] ;...Dad's special relationship with Abrahim and
other Heavenly counselors....The accounts of Dad's sexual experiences with various spirit
beings and goddesses.[It is stated in Part 4, par. 53 and
elsewhere that the Loving Jesus revelation is just a step further in the same direction
the group has been going. It is therefore a legitimate question to ask what might be
coming down the pipe next? Are cult members going to also start having sexual experiences
with various spirit beings and goddesses or demons? What a scary thought!]; the concept that the Holy Spirit is female....Space City[New Jerusalem] being in the moon.
142. Saying these words of love to Him that He longs to hear....is not as great a
sacrifice for some of you men as FFing was. [It] is so small in comparison to all that He has done for you....You can't
pay Him back, but you can give Him the love He is asking for, in the way He is asking it!
143. I'm so very proud of Peter. It was hard for him too, but he took the plunge and began
to say those love words to Jesus by faith and to love Jesus in a more intimate, deeper
way, and I was so, so proud of him for his willingness to just yield and obey. CAN THE MEN
MAKE LOVE TO THE HOLY SPIRIT? 144. Another question we brought before the Lord was why
can't the men express their love to the Holy Spirit, Who the Lord has shown is the female
part of the Trinity, God's Wife and Jesus' Mother. Dad talked about this in the letters,
and it seemed that it would be easier for the men to relate to making love to the female
Holy Spirit than to Jesus. You men may be wondering this same thing. 147. (Mama prays:) We
have something to ask You, Jesus, that seems a little complicated. There are still some
things about our loving You that we don't understand....We need to ask for Your help and
guidance about Your Spirit of Love, the Holy Spirit, and why You haven't spoken much about
Her in these prophecies about loving You and making love to You. Dad talked about Her to
some extend and mentioned about making love to Her, and that if our men felt awkward about
loving You, they could love Her instead. 148. We need to know Your answers on this,
because these are things the Family men are going to immediately ask. They will wonder why
they can't just love the Spirit of Love, Who is female. Although, Lord, You have told us
there is no male or female in Christ Jesus, still we are physical and we're in human form,
so it's easier for our men to think in terms of loving the Holy Spirit. 149. (Peter:)
Lord, You know that it is hard for men to think about making love to You. It's more
natural for us to think about making love to a woman, thus it's easier making love with
the Holy Spirit....Certainly many are going to wonder why they couldn't just do it with
the Holy Spirit, as it's so much easier. 150. [Maria:] It doesn't bother Peter and me....We do and say all the things You said
You wanted to hear. We tell You we want and desire You, we want You to kiss and caress us,
to f... us, to make us go. It doesn't bother us. We like it! We love it! 175. [Berg
suposedly speaking from the dead:] When one f...s the Holy Spirit, one f...s God. When one
f...s Jesus, one f...s God. 187. (Mama:) Thank You, Jesus, for letting Dad speak to us
again in such wonderful words of wisdom! Thank you, Dad, for another MO letter! 192. After
hearing the things the Lord has said about loving Him and saying love words to Him, Peter
and I have had frequent lovemaking sessions with each other and the Lord, and they've been
just wonderful!...When we're kissing and caressing, we talk to Jesus, as well as each
other, and tell Him that we love Him and that we love his caresses, that we want him, that
we want Him to f... us. It's very precious and makes us both feel so much closer to Him.
195. Just to know that He is lonely and yearning for us - each one of us individually -
has made us want to do anything we can to meet His need....He's asking you to...love Him
in this special way! Won't you try it? 202. (Prophecy[Jesus:]) Behold, I have done a new thing, that which was unexpected, and that
which the people were not prepared for....They must trust that their queen [Zerby] is in tune and in touch with
Me and that she is My very voice. 203. They must learn to have utter faith and utter trust
in the words of the queen. For I have anointed her and I have crowned her with many
crowns.
Loving Jesus!-Part 4 Maria #311 DO 12/95 GN 662
par. 26.
Maria #327 DO 3/96 GN 674 (20 pages)
par. 2.
My Heart Belongs to You! 3080 DFO 9/96 GN 706 (4 pages)
p. 4.
To Comment or Not to Comment? Maria #322 DO 2/96 GN 670 (12 pages)
par. 24.
Prophecies on Pride and Humility! Maria #325 DO 2/96 GN 672 (8 pages)
Mama's News and Views! - Part 4 Maria #335 DO 5/96 GN 683 (16 pages)
TSERS AND THE "LOVING JESUS" GNS. Par. 108. We sent
New Ways to Praise! - Mama's Intro to the Praise Kisses and Praise Prophecies
GNs! Maria #336 DO 3/96 GN 684 (8 pages)
par. 24. At one praise time, you might feel more like saying great and glorious
things to Jesus, our King of kings and Lord of lords, Who was, and is now, and evermore
shall be! At another time, you may just want to sit beside Jesus with His arm around you
and tell Him all the ways that you appreciate and admire Him as your Friend and as your
Husband. At another time you may be excited with His kisses and his caresses and may want
to talk to Him more intimately, telling Him how much you love Him as your sexy love
partner and wonderful Husband. 27. Another idea that I had for these is to not only put
them in GNs, but evetnually make them into a book of praise prayers, God willing, and I
think He is! Also, after we get them finalized for a GN, we can have them recorded so we
can listen to them on tape during our quiet times. Won't that be wonderful?
The Grapevine #1 DO/TS 8/96 (8 pages)
p.1. Summit Video Meetings In Europe. From Gallio (CRO). We've just completed
our delegates' meetings here, where we showed the entire set of the Summit videos....
Grapevine #2, DO/TS 9/96 (8 pages)
p.3. Mama's Mailbox. Dear Mama. I would like to share with you...an experience
that I had one day while loving Jesus. Jesus and I were dancing in mid-air real close, and
He said to me, "How do you like this kind of dancing? I call this space
dancing!" Ha! Then He gave me lots of hugs and kisses. It was a special time, and I'm
finding that the more time that I spend with Jesus in an intimate way, the more I want to
spend time with Him.
Grapevine #7 DO/TS 11/96 (12 pages)
p.3. (From Anique, 18:) The "Loving Jesus" inspiration night we had
was really neat. I've never been able to do it practically; just a few little words and
that was it. But with us all learning how to get into the Spirit - to think about the
Lord, to stop everything and rest in His arms - it was like "wow" compared to
the other times. (From Jay, 18:) "Loving Jesus" was presented very simply on the
video, and now it's easier to understand it and accept it.
Hope #73 DO/TS 11/96 (16 pages)
p.16. Andrew Tender, India. Since the "Loving Jesus" series and all
the New Wine that followed, my life has been changing in so many ways. I feel I am already
beginning to reap all the blessings the Lord has promised if I put Him first and have that
special, intimate time with Him.
Judy Pendell. For the first time since I have been out - reading these letters Maria put out - have I felt real shame. I came to my senses about how nuts the whole thing was in a clearer picture and felt terrible shame. Even embarrassment just to read that I followed such complete idiots. I guess developing a healthy sense of shame is a part of healing. I have a 21 year old son in the cult who could easily be turned into a wimpy homosexual unless people speak up about how wrong Maria's newest revelations are. When you get out here and read the Christian literature, you see Berg was only one small person sharing a lot of fundamental truth, and then mixing in his own ideas.
C.R. Thank you for the information that you sent. As I read it, I just got infuriated with that ungodly doctrine that Zerby is regurgitating on her captive audience. I thoroughly appreciate your taking the time to put together that publication "Sex, Sin and Sacrilege!" John. I just received the package you sent, together with your newsletter, "Sex, Sin and Sacrilege!" Talk about disgusting! This new series really takes the cake! I know of several other people I'm going to be sharing it with. Thank you for sending me this material. I think we ought to use every opportunity to blaze this matter abroad, and to have as many Christians as we can phone or fax them their disgust about this kind of thing. This could prove to be the Family's undoing. Keep up the good work! Your newsletter needs to get spread as far and wide as it can, and particularly into the hands of other Christians, churches and counter-cult organizations.
[If you are interested in contacting the COG their address is The Family, 14118 Whittier Blvd #116, Whittier, CA 90605. Their E-mail address is:family@thefamily.org Their phone number is (800)4-A-FAMILY and also (310) 690-4930. Their fax number is (310) 694-6685.] Marina. I really think you did well in publishing some of the "new revelations" - let that stuff speak for itself. You don't even have to comment. I remember Rick [ex-member who committed suicide] talking on the phone with Katrina [his wife in the group] in April of this year [1996], confronting her about the Loving Jesus revelation and she saying: "Is not true. Where did you hear this? This is not true at all, it was a misunderstanding" etc. Rick got so mad. He got so frustrated, he just blew up: "When will you ever stop lying to me? How can you keep lying to me? You people are lying to me all the time." I was glad to see it all in black and white in your newsletter.T.B. These are the most disgusting and perverted publications you could ever read. If even any honest atheist were to look at the cult's publications he or she would quickly recognize the perversion, and say, "These folks are theologically warped and demented!" If anyone, any sociologist, educator, psychologist, church member of whatever denomination, politician, social activist, etc. were to take a look at these Loving Jesus publications, they would be appalled, aghast, overcome with dread, worried and concerned about the welfare, safety and futures of the children and young people in the cult! I know that this new garbage from Zerby & Co is seriously undermining the cult members' belief in her and David Berg as God's prophet. My wife and I both knew for quite a few years that it was only a matter of time before we would leave the cult, the writing was always on the wall. Many other individuals who saw what we saw, had similar experiences, heartbreaks, devastation and difficulties. We know that right this minute, many of those victims who are now trapped, are thinking what we thought for a long time. There are numerous snickers, jokes and muffled laughter about the new doctrine in the cult, but nothing is said that could get someone in trouble with leadership. Some teens in the cult mock it and laugh at its absurdity and depravity! They accuse the adults and their own parents of being weird, sick and perverted! I believe that in making Zerby's new theology public, it could be the important and very needed catalyst that would hopefully start the firestorm to bring the cult to an end.
Ex-member. The Family's "Jesus" is nothing but a demon posing as an angel of light, and it will lead to demon possession, as was obvious with Berg himself. It was to the point where he could no longer control it and
[the spirits] were coming to him in nightmares, etc. Your latest newsletter is a real expose of COG. I think you'll find the following [dictionary definitions] interesting in relation to that. Incubus, in medieval European folklore, a male demon that was believed to seek sexual intercourse with sleeping women. According to one legend, the incubus, and its female counterpart, the succubus, were fallen angels. Union with an incubus was thought to produce demons, witches, and deformed children. The legendary wizard Merlin was said to have been the offspring of such a union. The word incubus is Latin for "nightmare." "Incubus," Microsoft ® Encarta. Copyright © 1994 Microsoft Corporation.Parent of COG member. I am afraid and angry about the "Loving Jesus" letters! Please send me the "Loving Jesus" package, code CP116. Thank you very much. I need them as soon as possible. Thanks for your work.
David Millikan.davmil@nectar.com.au (Press release written by David Millikan about the Family, released in conjunction with recent Australian national TV show Witness with Jana Wendt.
[The computer printout introduces this massage by Millikan by simply stating, "I think it speaks for itself!!!!!!!!"] [Millikan:] The infamous group The Children of God who now call themselves The Family, are about to outrage the world once again....They say the Lord has spoken to them once more in ways that will confirm the darkest fears of their enemies....This is what the Lord has been saying: "With you I deep kiss. With you I send My tongue into your mouth. With you I hold and kiss and I caress your breasts and I suck on them. And with you I have deep lovemaking and deep penetration. As I love you, as I f... you, as I bring forth orgasms of My Spirit, we are united....even as the husband thrusts.... etc."....Peter Amsterdam believes that Berg is still talking to them. And despite the trouble their sexual beliefs and practices have caused in the past, they say Berg is calling on them to take sex into their relationship with God. A series of prophecies have been circulating in The Family for the last two years. They call it "The Loving Jesus Revelation". It calls on the Family to do three things, first they are to visualize their sexual activity as happening with Jesus....They are being called on to masturbate to Jesus, the men are being asked to visualize themselves as women so that Jesus can make love to them, and they are being told to call words of love to Jesus as they are having sex. This is one of the Family writing about this new direction! "I understand that other men, when they say love words to Jesus or masturbate with Him or have sex with a woman while loving Jesus....the man sees himself as the woman making love to Jesus." [It is worth mentioning that David Millikan was one of the cult's apologists in the London child custody case! I did not find anything in his message showing any clear regrets or remorse for his role in helping to keep that little boy in the group and thus exposing him to these horrible sexual practices some day. (For more info about the London child custody case see newsletter #9.) Though not directly related to the subject at hand, Millikan also disclosed the following in this message] In Sydney [Australia, few years ago], the Family actually ran an escort agency. One can imagine the astonishment of the clients when the girls arrived with a Bible or a guitar and gave a little message of salvation before getting to the business in hand....I know of at least one lawyer in Australia who was "flirty fished" in the last four years.Ulla-Britt. Thank you very much for the great research work in your newsletter. Boy, nothing shocks me. You can expect anything from them. It just makes me wonder. Don't they ever get tired of all that talk about sex? Poor small kids having to grow up there. It's so evil. People just can't believe it can be true.
Angela Bedolfe. I don't know whether the demon claiming to be Jesus Christ is the same one that claims to be David Berg. They are manipulated by demons posing as celestial visitors. It is apparent that demons in the Family are leading them into homosexuality. Visualization or a man imagining himself as a woman invites succubi to invade and transform him into a homosexual. It is a hideously perverted, paganized "Christianity". Visualization is a common occultic/New Age practice. The Family is a corrupt tree.
[The following is part of a quote Angela sent taken from William and Sharon Schnoebelen's book "Blood on the Doorpost" pp. 220-225.]"Sexual spirits...will come and assume the form of impossibly perfect sexual partners. They'll appear more flawless and desirable than even airbrushed centerfolds....As ghastly as this idea is it's common practice in the higher levels of Satanism. They believe these demon lovers will....assault a human woman in male form with or without her permission. Such spiritual Ôrape' is more common than most would think....Needless to say, once a man or woman has experienced Ôsex' with such a creature, normal marital relations with their spouse (however attractive) will pale into boring routine. Thus, the victim returns more and more to the spirit lover and the bondage grows even deeper....This is not fiction from a horror novel. It is going on all the time. In high level satanism, both of us were Ômarried' to demons. We both had frequent Ôsex' with our ascended master spirit guides! We felt this was the way we would gradually Ôevolve' into gods....These beings do not have to be visible....Most of the time, especially among non-witches, they prefer to remain unseen. However, they'll web an incredible bondage around the person which only prayer to the Lord Jesus can break."
A call to prayer. I received the following from former memberSylvia Padilla, in whose hart the Lord has put the desire to call many of us to prayer. She writes: "Because the COG's recent doctrines have been so bizarre, it seems that more ex members are beginning to realize how demonic the whole set-up is and are getting incensed at how Satan is destroying lives in the cult. I was praying about the whole situation yet again, and the idea came to me that those of us who understand what is really going on in the spirit world with regards to the COG could perhaps commit ourselves to a specific time of prayer each week to do spiritual warfare against the demonic strongholds, to pray the true children of God out, to pray for the total collapse of the whole organization and also to pray for those who have left, as everyone without exception comes out traumatized and damaged emotionally, spiritually and sometimes physically and mentally. I believe that the battle against the COG needs to be done in the spirit first. I'm enclosing a guideline on how to pray and what to pray for. I would be willing to co-ordinate." Sylvia's one-page guideline is titled Prayer Strategy for the Break-Up of the COG (The Family). I would be happy to send you a copy upon request. About more than half of the text is made out of Bible verses. Those are Deut. 18:20-22, Rev. 2:20-23, Eph. 6:12 and James 5:16. She also suggests we read 2 Pet. 2 and all of Jude. Here are the three steps for those who would like to participate in this very important and timely undertaking.
Please let Sylvia know the time slot which you have chosen to come before the Lord in intercession for our brothers and sisters in the cult. Her address is Sylvia Padilla, 47 Byron Ave. Coulsdon, Surrey, England CR52JS. I hope that many will write to Sylvia and enlist in her prayer army. Her phone number if calling from the States is 011441816606583.
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Woodsman. Well, I got to see my kids at Christmas, thank God, but it cost me $2.000.00 in lawyers fees! Can you please put an ad in your newsletter for any ex-members who don't want books, tapes, literature etc., to mail them to: David De Brocke Sr. Box 1668, Manteca, CA 95336. My lawyer wants to see COG stuff. Thanks and please keep me and my family in your prayers.
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